I've been on Windows since spring 2018 and it hasn't been all that great. It smoothed out until update 1809 and 1909 was even more rocky. The most recent updates managed to eat my drive data. Even after a visit to a repair service, I ended up with a reset all the way back to factory. At this moment, I can't really use the machine and it's a shame with all those games.
For two years, I haven't had my music or a recent backup of my music, which has led me to some frustration. I also left some projects undone and I just wanted to get an inexpensive Mac that would allow me to revive things. I've been searching a very long time.
On OfferUp, I wasn't sure whether the machines were stolen or not but the prices weren't all that good for the damged look of some of the machines and the distance I'd have to travel. Apple, of course, has only machines three years old or newer, which would be too much money for minimum wage me. Newegg has had machines, but they often have third parties with poor ratings, and I'm not very trusting.
A couple of weeks ago, I came across a mid-2012 quad core i7 with a GeForce 650M, almost like mine--one step down. The price was acceptable, but the 4 GB of RAM left me unsure as to whether it would be able to restore my final backup, although the 500 GB 5400 rpm disk drive was sufficient.
I ordered it on a Sunday night. By Tuesday, they had finished packaging and its status was "Label created". It stayed that way, even after it arrived several days later.
The machine looked almost new. The display hinges are a little weak, but since I've got my (dead) machine, I can probably have those switched. The machine has only 512 MB of VRAM, in contrast to my machine having 1 GB. It probably doesn't matter a lot because how many games are available for an 8 year old machine? GOG has some, though. What's more important is using that GPU to speed up photo and video processing.
Getting the machine up and running was a struggle. It complained about the backup being from a newer version of the operating system. Sadly, the Mac App Store pointed me to the current, rather broken, Catalina/10.15.4. I didn't realize that it was completely 64-bit, so nothing 32-bit would run. I complained about Apple not doing this in the past, so it's amusing that it was such a kick in the pants.
Loading Catalina wasn't awful. The 500 GB hard drive had to be converted from HFS+ to APFS. It didn't take long to be downloaded. The installation wasn't horrible, either. Trying to boot it with a hard drive from 2012 and only 4 GB of RAM was difficult, at best.
Once it was running, I was tossing out software and hoping that upgrades would be simple. Several upgrades were extremely expensive and I'm considering them still. Those things purchased through the Mac App Store didn't come with upgrade fees. However, getting things to run was almost impossible. Firefox would initially run and would fail, apparently because of the 4 GB of RAM restriction. It displayed some sort of dialog box, but I couldn't manipulate it to see the contents.
There were some system functions that were running constantly, possibly because the hard drive was converted from HFS+. It disabled the machine for all intents and purposes, especially with a file system that wasn't happy on a hard drive and a system with a shortage of RAM.
Enhancements Matter
I bought a 1 TB Western Digital SSD (2.5 inch) and 16 GB of RAM. Considering that eight years have passed, the total for the enhancements was negligible. I remember that the Other World Computing 6G Extreme SSD was something around US$500 for 480 GB and the RAM might have been about the same price in early 2013.
Just inserting the RAM made a huge difference in performance with macOS Catalina. I wanted to get an external enclosure in order to clone the drive and the enclosure had not arrived at that time. I ended up finding a compatible enclosure and macOS did all the cloning, once I could get the SSD partitioned and formatted properly. There was some error at first, which isn't a surprise with 10.15.4.
Making sure the SSD was set to be APFS made a positive difference. When I booted from the drive, the previous system tasks from when the hard drive was present were not taking over the system any longer. The system seemed about as fast as my Windows 10 system with the 7th generation quad-core i7 and 32 GB rather than the Mac from 2012 with a 3rd generation quad-core i7 and 16 GB of RAM, just as my other machine had been. Obviously the GeForce 1050 GTX versus the GT 650M difference is really displayed in applications which use hardware acceleration.
It's taken some time to update applications to current versions, but everything runs quite well. Most games are not possible because time has left the 650M with 512 MB in the past, and those games that could run need to be converted to work under 64-bit operation. I tried to get The Witness to work, but it got just past the graphics settings and died. The Epic Games Launcher seems flaky. Steam won't run even though it's the 64-bit version and ran once. GOG Galaxy 2.0 runs occasionally. MacGameStore can run. Obduction runs, if a bit glitchy! Things are running somewhat better and I've found more games.
Thankfully, the Affinity suite by Serif seems fine, along with Capture One Pro 12, Luminar 2018, Swift Publisher 5 and more. I was concerned with being able to retrieve projects, photos, and music. My music is up to date on my phone, but it's been tedious getting Finder (not iTunes) to sync things. My TV and movie downloads are currently not on the phone because Finder had them removed.
I didn't think that a machine from 2012 would be so useful in 2020, but for graphics work, it seems quite capable.
Update 2020.05.01: Is it sad that a mid-2012 MacBook Pro with flaky 10.5.4 is more stable than a late-2017 Omen by HP laptop computer with the latest Windows 10?
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Monday, April 20, 2020
Friday, February 15, 2019
1TB M.2 drive, 32GB RAM installation complete
Getting a laptop computer that is working well for me has been a struggle.
For years, people have told me how much cheaper it is to buy a Windows machine than it is to buy a Mac. For years, I told them to find one with the screen resolution and graphics hardware and it would be practically the same price. It had been for the longest time. Displays for laptop computers are not inexpensive but high quality displays are really expensive.
I got this 2017 Omen by HP laptop at about 25% discount. It has an Intel i7 7700HQ quad core processor, Nvidia 1050 GPU with 2 GB of RAM, and the system came with a 1TB hard drive and 8GB of RAM. It seemed to crawl most days. The mid-2012 MacBook Pro had 16GB of RAM and a 480GB SSD with an Nvidia 650M GPU.
I found G.Skill RAM that I trusted that wasn't too expensive at the time and bought 32GB in two sticks. I also found an HP m.2 SSD that seemed a good fit--an EX920. Given that I've been working in retail and Thanksgiving Day to New Year's Day has been so brutal, I had few chances to get anything installed. (I actually thought that, having a decent background with computer hardware installation since around 1981, I might be able to do the work myself but was proven wrong rather quickly. It was much easier to modify each of my Apple Macintosh machines.)
I went to a phone repair store that was close, where I had some work done in the past, and the technician I knew was gone. The person who might be able to do the work wasn't there that day, and since time wasn't convenient, I didn't return. I went to a "computer services" shop (that looked like a pawn shop) and that shop's computer person wasn't there, either.
Last week, I decided to check another phone repair shop and found that they did computer work. I called and was told that it would be US$30 to install the RAM and m.2 drive. That was much lower than the $130-$250 I expected.
Wednesday, I went to the store and dropped off the computer. They didn't give me a receipt--scary--but they sent my phone text messages to inform me on their progress. US$30 to install the hardware and US$35 to clone the drive was given to me as the quote. Thanks very reasonable.
Today, Friday, I went to see about the computer. Things happened in the store and the progress was a bit delayed when "things happened", which was expected. Thankfully, it wasn't some catastrophe where the hard drive didn't work at all. He was "optimizing" it, so he told me that it would probably be three more hours.
I ate so-so VietNamese food at a new restaurant for way too much money, walked to a store to shop a bit, and got the text message that my machine had been finished. I returned as quickly as I could walk.
I paid and I started the machine. We looked and there was an update that required a restart. I checked to see if the RAM and drive had actually been installed. I wasn't accusing. I just worry a lot. If you can imagine something going wrong almost every time I do something, you'd be cautious, also.
Having the machine at home now, I'm pleased to say that my usual 51-66% RAM usage is around 19-22% now. I'll be able to get started on my skate park videos finally. I still need to select from thousands of clips. I won't have to worry about my software being unhappy with the environment on which it's running, though. Hopefully, Magix Movie Edit Pro Plus will be good.
As I've played a few games, the response is generally good but there are still delays. I wonder if the operating system needs to mold itself to the new drive. This machine is still labeled by HP as a casual gaming machine, which is all I needed anyway. It still seems strange that UT2004 was smoother on a 2012 MacBook Pro than it is on a 2017 Windows machine purposed for gaming.
Update 2019.02.16: Windows 10 seems much better, although it does seem to be off in Never-Never land far too often still. Who knows what it's doing? As soon as I launch Task Manager, whatever was happening stops. Defragmentation tends to continue, so I'm sure it's not that. Feedback Hub is running, but why? Microsoft does not want to know what I think of their collection of patches that they consider an operating system. Back when a machine was limited to 64KB (or even 4MB) of RAM, it seemed that everything had to be tight. Sloppy writers didn't make it. Atari's implementation of GEM and DR-DOS weren't great but they were quick and efficient.
Firefox and Chrome both seem to handle scrolling more smoothly.
Games still seem just a bit better, which doesn't seem enough for the difference of having 4 times the RAM and a much, much faster drive.
For years, people have told me how much cheaper it is to buy a Windows machine than it is to buy a Mac. For years, I told them to find one with the screen resolution and graphics hardware and it would be practically the same price. It had been for the longest time. Displays for laptop computers are not inexpensive but high quality displays are really expensive.
I got this 2017 Omen by HP laptop at about 25% discount. It has an Intel i7 7700HQ quad core processor, Nvidia 1050 GPU with 2 GB of RAM, and the system came with a 1TB hard drive and 8GB of RAM. It seemed to crawl most days. The mid-2012 MacBook Pro had 16GB of RAM and a 480GB SSD with an Nvidia 650M GPU.
I found G.Skill RAM that I trusted that wasn't too expensive at the time and bought 32GB in two sticks. I also found an HP m.2 SSD that seemed a good fit--an EX920. Given that I've been working in retail and Thanksgiving Day to New Year's Day has been so brutal, I had few chances to get anything installed. (I actually thought that, having a decent background with computer hardware installation since around 1981, I might be able to do the work myself but was proven wrong rather quickly. It was much easier to modify each of my Apple Macintosh machines.)
I went to a phone repair store that was close, where I had some work done in the past, and the technician I knew was gone. The person who might be able to do the work wasn't there that day, and since time wasn't convenient, I didn't return. I went to a "computer services" shop (that looked like a pawn shop) and that shop's computer person wasn't there, either.
Last week, I decided to check another phone repair shop and found that they did computer work. I called and was told that it would be US$30 to install the RAM and m.2 drive. That was much lower than the $130-$250 I expected.
Wednesday, I went to the store and dropped off the computer. They didn't give me a receipt--scary--but they sent my phone text messages to inform me on their progress. US$30 to install the hardware and US$35 to clone the drive was given to me as the quote. Thanks very reasonable.
Today, Friday, I went to see about the computer. Things happened in the store and the progress was a bit delayed when "things happened", which was expected. Thankfully, it wasn't some catastrophe where the hard drive didn't work at all. He was "optimizing" it, so he told me that it would probably be three more hours.
I ate so-so VietNamese food at a new restaurant for way too much money, walked to a store to shop a bit, and got the text message that my machine had been finished. I returned as quickly as I could walk.
I paid and I started the machine. We looked and there was an update that required a restart. I checked to see if the RAM and drive had actually been installed. I wasn't accusing. I just worry a lot. If you can imagine something going wrong almost every time I do something, you'd be cautious, also.
Having the machine at home now, I'm pleased to say that my usual 51-66% RAM usage is around 19-22% now. I'll be able to get started on my skate park videos finally. I still need to select from thousands of clips. I won't have to worry about my software being unhappy with the environment on which it's running, though. Hopefully, Magix Movie Edit Pro Plus will be good.
As I've played a few games, the response is generally good but there are still delays. I wonder if the operating system needs to mold itself to the new drive. This machine is still labeled by HP as a casual gaming machine, which is all I needed anyway. It still seems strange that UT2004 was smoother on a 2012 MacBook Pro than it is on a 2017 Windows machine purposed for gaming.
Update 2019.02.16: Windows 10 seems much better, although it does seem to be off in Never-Never land far too often still. Who knows what it's doing? As soon as I launch Task Manager, whatever was happening stops. Defragmentation tends to continue, so I'm sure it's not that. Feedback Hub is running, but why? Microsoft does not want to know what I think of their collection of patches that they consider an operating system. Back when a machine was limited to 64KB (or even 4MB) of RAM, it seemed that everything had to be tight. Sloppy writers didn't make it. Atari's implementation of GEM and DR-DOS weren't great but they were quick and efficient.
Firefox and Chrome both seem to handle scrolling more smoothly.
Games still seem just a bit better, which doesn't seem enough for the difference of having 4 times the RAM and a much, much faster drive.
Wednesday, October 10, 2018
Buying enough RAM to make the i7 7700HQ happy
Okay, I've had this 2017 Omen (by HP) 15t for around six months. It's decent at most everything, making it a good successor to the mid-2012 MacBook Pro quad core i7 with 16 GB of RAM and 480 GB SSD.
When things get tough, it shows how slow it is. The 8 GB of RAM shows up as about half in use when doing simple things. When I go to edit photos, I'm in trouble, with RAM generally full and virtual memory has to resort to the 7200 rpm hard drive. Intolerably slow would be the key phrase but it's possible to remember with 4 MB of RAM was a full set and my Atari 1040 ST (with modification) would fly at 8 MHz. That was a monochrome system with a 640x400 display.
The MacBook Pro supported 1440x900 and this Omen has a 1920x1080 display--the not so good display, that is standard. Hey, if I can edit from lesser displays in the past, can I work with lesser displays in the present? Of course, I can.
However, using Phase One Capture One Pro has been a bit tedious, especially if I'm using Luminar 2018 at the same time. If I try to also use Magix Movie Edit Pro and/or Xara Designer Pro, things might grind to a halt.
I just ordered 32 GB, in two RAM sticks, with sales tax, etc. for just a bit less than the two pieces were by themselves just a few weeks ago. G.Skill RAM works well and is trusted. My needs may not be as specific or hard core as the gamers who would also buy products from the brand, but high performance, reliable products are necessary.
I considered 16 GB but half of my 8 GB is in use doing almost nothing. Trying to make video with 16 GB might leave me with almost nothing and virtual memory will ruin the performance and I'd be back to intolerably slow performance, plus I'd spent money to arrive there. Considering the drop in price, it didn't make sense to go with the lower capacity.
I also ordered a toolkit from iFixit, so I should be able to open the machine and put things right easily. Previously, I had two Husky drivers (from Home Depot) and two Kobalt drivers (from Lowes), which helped quite a lot. I made the modifications to the MacBook Pro quickly and easily, while being watched, just in case. It helped train them, also. I've watched the video reviews of this machine and they opened it fairly easily. It's just a matter of remembering which screws go where, just like always.
I will have to wait for drive improvements. The machine has an M.2 slot, so it's perfect for a Samsung 970 EVO drive. 1 TB is much more affordable than the 6 Gbps 480 GB drive I put into the MacBook Pro in 2013. I'm just wondering if I happen to have a Samsung 2.5 inch 512 GB SSD drive that I bought a few years ago. If I can transfer everything to a 1 TB M.2 drive and switch the 1 TB hard disk drive for an SSD drive, also, things will improve. However, saving money takes time.
Wish me luck!
Update 2019.01.08: I've got the RAM, but couldn't install it, due to a plastic plug covering one screw. I'm still working on solutions, but I'm about to have someone else install it, and the HP EX920 M.2 1TB I bought for very little. Hopefully, the cost of installation won't break the bank. I've had some noise lately, and I'm not sure whether it's one of the fans or the hard drive. In either case, a gaming laptop computer needs everything working at full throttle.
Update 2019.02.15: It's done. Both have been installed for US$30 and another US$35 covered cloning the drive data. That's actually less than I spent on tools to do the work myself.
The machine still doesn't feel faster than the mid-2012 MacBook Pro.
When things get tough, it shows how slow it is. The 8 GB of RAM shows up as about half in use when doing simple things. When I go to edit photos, I'm in trouble, with RAM generally full and virtual memory has to resort to the 7200 rpm hard drive. Intolerably slow would be the key phrase but it's possible to remember with 4 MB of RAM was a full set and my Atari 1040 ST (with modification) would fly at 8 MHz. That was a monochrome system with a 640x400 display.
The MacBook Pro supported 1440x900 and this Omen has a 1920x1080 display--the not so good display, that is standard. Hey, if I can edit from lesser displays in the past, can I work with lesser displays in the present? Of course, I can.
However, using Phase One Capture One Pro has been a bit tedious, especially if I'm using Luminar 2018 at the same time. If I try to also use Magix Movie Edit Pro and/or Xara Designer Pro, things might grind to a halt.
I just ordered 32 GB, in two RAM sticks, with sales tax, etc. for just a bit less than the two pieces were by themselves just a few weeks ago. G.Skill RAM works well and is trusted. My needs may not be as specific or hard core as the gamers who would also buy products from the brand, but high performance, reliable products are necessary.
I considered 16 GB but half of my 8 GB is in use doing almost nothing. Trying to make video with 16 GB might leave me with almost nothing and virtual memory will ruin the performance and I'd be back to intolerably slow performance, plus I'd spent money to arrive there. Considering the drop in price, it didn't make sense to go with the lower capacity.
I also ordered a toolkit from iFixit, so I should be able to open the machine and put things right easily. Previously, I had two Husky drivers (from Home Depot) and two Kobalt drivers (from Lowes), which helped quite a lot. I made the modifications to the MacBook Pro quickly and easily, while being watched, just in case. It helped train them, also. I've watched the video reviews of this machine and they opened it fairly easily. It's just a matter of remembering which screws go where, just like always.
I will have to wait for drive improvements. The machine has an M.2 slot, so it's perfect for a Samsung 970 EVO drive. 1 TB is much more affordable than the 6 Gbps 480 GB drive I put into the MacBook Pro in 2013. I'm just wondering if I happen to have a Samsung 2.5 inch 512 GB SSD drive that I bought a few years ago. If I can transfer everything to a 1 TB M.2 drive and switch the 1 TB hard disk drive for an SSD drive, also, things will improve. However, saving money takes time.
Wish me luck!
Update 2019.01.08: I've got the RAM, but couldn't install it, due to a plastic plug covering one screw. I'm still working on solutions, but I'm about to have someone else install it, and the HP EX920 M.2 1TB I bought for very little. Hopefully, the cost of installation won't break the bank. I've had some noise lately, and I'm not sure whether it's one of the fans or the hard drive. In either case, a gaming laptop computer needs everything working at full throttle.
Update 2019.02.15: It's done. Both have been installed for US$30 and another US$35 covered cloning the drive data. That's actually less than I spent on tools to do the work myself.
The machine still doesn't feel faster than the mid-2012 MacBook Pro.
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